30A CRO

Here is a picture of the 1st prototype of my 30A mode2 charging cable (CRO).
It's the first one available that can manage a settable current from 6A to 30A. It has internal breaking capability (both phase and neutral), overcurrent (30A) and residual current protections (30mA).
The case is in strong polycarbonate (not standard ABS), the cable is oil and flame repellent, custom made.
It's available at the same price with type 1 (in the photo) or type 2 female connector, with 5m (400€) or 10m cable (440€). GB connector for Chinese market is not supported.
I'm testing it on available cars in the market, it will be checked on a Zoe as soon as I will get one to test.
It implements the J1772 protocol that is used all over the world, so it should be compatibile with any electric and hybrid car.
It will never get official brand specific certifications (like Renault ZeReady) because this product can be used on any car.
Anyway it can switch between charge and idle mode any number of time, so it should have no problems with Renault cars requiring the ZeReady 1.2.



The industrial power plug can manage 32A continuous, current limited adaptors are available with 16A industrial or 10A domestic Schuko. Their price is 40€ each. Use of standard adaptors is discouraged because they are not current limited and are for temporary use only.

If you install a 32A interlocked industrial power inlet in your garage, this can substitute a 32A monophase wallbox. You can find it in any electrical store at about 50€ (we can provide it at the same price, too). Like all powers inlet in your home it must be protected with a suitable overcurrent + residual current device, I suggest a dedicated 32A overcurrent + 30mA residual current breaker (~50€).



Now I'm testing prototype and assemblying a 10 pcs preserie, mass production will begin in March.
All prices excluding VAT

Should be great.
Did you have a possibility to provide a more precise description; I mean specifications, options, some kind of preliminary "user manual". Did you have an internet place where we can download such documents ?
Thanks

Super
Si j'ai bien compris, pour brancher le CRO sur une prise normale il faut utiliser l'adaptateur de la deuxième photo.

CROLLES a écrit:
Did you have an internet place where we can download such documents ?

My company's web site is: www.elpa.it but there are no pages for this products' line yet. They will be added in the near future.

Caméléon a écrit:Super
Si j'ai bien compris, pour brancher le CRO sur une prise normale il faut utiliser l'adaptateur de la deuxième photo.

Yes, but in that case power is limited to 2.3kW (10A).
If the power inlet quality is low, it's better to limit to 8A or 6A, to avoid burning the Schuko inlet.
For all-days recharge, I suggest to install a stronger, cheap dedicated industrial plug.
Also if you have a <32A contract, to avoid using adaptors you could install a 32A industrial plug and protect it with an appropriate overcurrent + RCD breaker.

Bon, je reformule pour savoir si j'ai bien compris :
1) A condition de poser la prise industrielle femelle dans mon garage et si le réseau le permet, je peux programmer ce CRO pour 15 A (par exemple). Je branche la prise mâle du CRO dans la prise industrielle murale et c'est OK.
2) En déplacement, je n'ai accès qu'à une prise domestique standard, je programme ce CRO pour 8A (par exemple), je lui plug l'interface Prise industrielle -> Prise domestique standard et c'est OK.

C'est intelligent, car de prise industrielle male à prise industrielle femelle on n'a pas de problème.
J'ai bien compris ou pas ?
Cdlt

CROLLES a écrit:Bon, je reformule pour savoir si j'ai bien compris :
1) A condition de poser la prise industrielle femelle dans mon garage et si le réseau le permet, je peux programmer ce CRO pour 15 A (par exemple). Je branche la prise mâle du CRO dans la prise industrielle murale et c'est OK.
2) En déplacement, je n'ai accès qu'à une prise domestique standard, je programme ce CRO pour 8A (par exemple), je lui plug l'interface Prise industrielle -> Prise domestique standard et c'est OK.

C'est intelligent, car de prise industrielle male à prise industrielle femelle on n'a pas de problème.
J'ai bien compris ou pas ?
Cdlt

Exact.
After plugging the CRO you can choose the current between: 6A, 8A, 10A, 13A, 16A, 19A, 22A, 26A, 30A
Mode 2 devices (CRO) don't communicate with the power inlet, so they cannot automatically recognize the maximum allowable current. For this reason, on the plug adaptors there is an overcurrent protection. If you choose a too high current for that plug it will trip, and need a manual intervention to restore it (like domestic overcurrent breakers).

Et la protection pour l'accessoire prise domestique qu'on rajoute en plug sur la prise male insustrielle est calibré pour combien ?

Je crois que c'est 10A ?

CROLLES a écrit:Et la protection pour l'accessoire prise domestique qu'on rajoute en plug sur la prise male insustrielle est calibré pour combien ?

The cable has a 32A industrial plug, in the electronic box there is a 30A overcurrent protection.
All adaptors have an inlet for this 32A industrial plug. At the moment are available adaptors with:
- 16A industrial plug: overcurrent protection at 16A (it's similar at the 32A blue industrial plug, but smaller)
- Schuko: overcurrent protection at 10A. Not all Schuko inlets can manage 10A continuos without overheating, so it's better to set 6A or 8A when using this adaptor. 10A should be used only on certified plugs.

C'est clair
J'en veut un avec Schuco 10A Inlet

Prise industrielle ça veut dire Wallbox ?

Caméléon a écrit:Prise industrielle ça veut dire Wallbox ?

No.
Industrial power plugs are the blue ones in the picture. They are different from car's specific connectors: the case is circular and they have only grounding and power wires, without control signals. There are no obturators.
The colour code the maximum allowed voltage. The most common are blue for 230V monophase and red for 400V 3-phases
They are available in 3 sizes: 16A, 32A and 63A, all quite cheap, very strong and for continuous use. You can find them in any electrical store.
This standard is called IEC60309. You can find additional infos here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60309

ok thanks

Davide,
Avec l'adaptateur prise normale on pourrait alors utiliser le câble livré avec la Zoé ?

Suite au message suivant je réponds que non vu que le câble livré à un connecteur type 3.

Bonjour à tous,

Davide, même question que Caméléion, est-il prévu un plug type 3 sur le boitier pour pouvoir brancher directement le cable fourni avec le véhicule?

Calomel

Caméléon a écrit:Avec l'adaptateur prise normale on pourrait alors utiliser le câble livré avec la Zoé ?

Calomel a écrit:Bonjour à tous,
Davide, même question que Caméléion, est-il prévu un plug type 3 sur le boitier pour pouvoir brancher directement le cable fourni avec le véhicule?

No.

The cable delivered together with Zoe is a mode 3 cable. Mode 3 cable are used to connect the car to a wall box, using type 3 (France and Italy), type 2 (other countries in Europe) or type 1 (USA / Japan) connector.

A CRO is alternative to wall box.

Mode 2 cables (CRO) are used to connect the car directly to a power inlet. One end connects to a standard power source (230V monophase or 400V 3-phase), the other end directly to the car.
This 30A CRO is available in 2 versions, 1 with type 2 car connector (for Zoe, Smart ED and 2013 european cars) and one with type 1 connector. The one in the picture has type 1 car connector.

pour compléter le mail de David, ci joint les ref (schneider) des prises industrielles 2P+T
16A = PKY16F423
32A = PKY32F423
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/pdf/E3/E3HP062.pdf

auquel il faut rajouter le boitier de montage en saillie = PKZ085
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/pdf/E3/E3HP069.pdf

env. 25€ pour la 16A et 30€ pour la 32A

par contre pour la protection amont, je suis moins optimiste que David (pour les prix)
pour un 16A P/N avec diff 30mA AC : ref 20553, env. 125€
pour un 32A P/N avec diff 30mA AC : ref 20564, env. 130€
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/navdoc/catalog/e6/pdf/chapitre/E6E.pdf

Bonjour DavidR

J'ai commandé la Zoé le premier jour au Mondial de l'automobile à Paris. Je devrai donc être un des tout premier livré.
Je vous propose:
1) Soit de venir tester chez moi en Alsace près de Colmar votre prototype dès que la Zoé me sera livrée.
2) Soit de m'envoyer un prototype pour que je le valide avec la ZOE. Si c'est ok je paye sinon je vous le renvoie.

Si le câble est OK, nous serons certainement nombreux en Alsace (+ de 500 Zoé commandées) et d'autre région à vous achetez votre câble.

Cordialement

alain68

BCelec a écrit:pour compléter le mail de David, ci joint les ref (schneider) des prises industrielles 2P+T
16A = PKY16F423
32A = PKY32F423
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/pdf/E3/E3HP062.pdf

auquel il faut rajouter le boitier de montage en saillie = PKZ085
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/pdf/E3/E3HP069.pdf

env. 25€ pour la 16A et 30€ pour la 32A

par contre pour la protection amont, je suis moins optimiste que David (pour les prix)
pour un 16A P/N avec diff 30mA AC : ref 20553, env. 125€
pour un 32A P/N avec diff 30mA AC : ref 20564, env. 130€
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/navdoc/catalog/e6/pdf/chapitre/E6E.pdf

This could be a solution, but I prefer interlocked plugs like this one (€35.36), to avoid the risk of plugging / unplugging with power applied:
http://www.scame.com/Catalogo.aspx?ID=-1&CodArt=500.3283

For the monophase protection 32A/30mA, prices here are much lower:
http://www.bricoman.it/negozio/elettricita-illuminazione/installazione-impianti-elettrici/quadri-componenti/interruttori-differenziali/interruttore-magnetoterm-differenziale-1pn-32a-45ka/10011650/

interlocked plugs are also available
16A : ref 82031 + 83920 (44€)
32A : ref 82042 + 83920 (51€)
http://www.e-catalogue.schneider-electric.fr/pdf/E3/E3HP062.pdf

regarding breaker price, I know that Italy reseller have better price than French one ; for my job I sometimes buy french products from Italy to have better price... (the european magical way of life I suppose...)

David, IP protection??

I want to do this:

Fernando M a écrit:David, IP protection??

I have to test yet, it should be better than IP44, but I'don't know if I can reach IP67.
Your proposal is very similar to my installation.
I suggest you to use an interlocked industrial inlet, the cost is similar to a standard inlet.
The 32A+30mA overcurrent breaker should be placed near the power source to protect wires and inlet.

My installation is in a community garage.

I will use the electric meter of my apartment, in ground floor. This:

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From there to my garage are 25 meters. I will use 3x6 mm2 cable and the 20A+30mA overcurrent breaker will be placed there. 20A because have more than 5,75 kW will be expensive.

My idea is to cover everything (protections, inlet and control box of the cable) with a metal box with key because otherwise anyone could disconnecting the cable. Something like this:



What do you think?

Fernando M a écrit:What do you think?

I would put the breaker (Why 20A only ? take a 25A/30mA) near the meter in the apartment, to protect also the 25m cable.
I prefer plastic boxes to keep electric devices.

Ok, 25A and a good plastic box.

The apartament is in 6th floor and meter is in ground floor. In the meters room (25 neighbours) is imposible put the breaker. There is a fuse before meter.

The installation from my meter to my apartament have 20 meters (6th floor) and breakers are in my home so i am doing the same with the garage, a cable from the meter (in ground floor) to the garage (- 2 floor) and there the breakers.